HYIP industry is just a gamble; I am sure all seasoned investors knows it and accepts it as a gamble. Investing in this industry is just a like a gambling just that you have different programs just like different slot machines in the casino. We all win some day and we all lose and since it’s a gamble you only invest your excess money and not your savings or money needed for your essentials. If you think you could make a living by investing in this industry then probably you are expecting too much and you could end up disappointed.

Some of you know and probably quite accepted by most is that an admin will come up with more then just one program, some times being honest and revealing to us and some times is just a different disguise. Off recently if you have been updating your self by reading other blogs you must have noticed some of the posts about Flip return and its possible association with Silver lodge and LMtMM.

Well the reasons quoted for the possible association with Silver Lodge was the similarities in the recent bi weekly plans and the changes in the website design. Well I don’t think that is any substantial enough proof to just think of an association. Gertudia has confirmed to having been an investor in Silver Lodge and may just have chosen the similar plan after seeing how popular that plan was with Silver Lodge. Well that is my speculation. I am not sure if there are any other reasons or proofs that were not disclosed to make such accusations, but in all fairness when some one chooses to point a finger I expect that the person should justify it with right kind of proofs. This HYIP industry is already ridden with so many scammers and rumors that we don’t need some one just to start another wild fire.

Suppose if we assume that the admins are same then what? Well Silver Lodge did prove itself to be one of the top programs and stayed online for quite some time, so Flip return as well can stay for a long time. This was just assuming that the admins are same. Although there are some similarities in the plans, I will still doubt that it’s same admin till the time I have a very strong confirmatory proof. In the time I spent here in this industry I have heard lot of rumors and I don’t make posts on my blog based on rumors, so I will still save room for doubt about Flip return. Flip return has been online for last 6 months and has been paying and many initial investors are already in profit and getting paid is what ultimately matters no matter how good the program is. The comments from Gertudia about Nanomoney and GNI was pretty baseless and not in good taste and I will save that story for another day.

Flip Return and LMtMM:

The other story was that some one had a cross payment for LMtMM from Flip return, and it turns out that Gertudia has posted on the home page of Flip return the expalantion for it. Both the admins seem to have been friends for long time and now they are uniting both the program into one. How much is true? Or are both admins one and same? I cannot answer this question as I don’t have proofs but I know for sure that Klaus has got a good program so does Gertudia and I am sure that by combining both of them together it will be one fine program. As an investor I would want to see profits for my investment being paid and in real sense doesn’t matter if the program join each other or not. As a blogger also I want my readers get the best information and advise so that they make profits and so I will never use rumors as materials for making my posts. As far as the admins are honest and are really paying I would support them even if they have more then one program. Haven’t we seen admins of PAC and Roger from US Dozen come with more then one program? They all did well because they were honest, and that is what probably mattered to the investors, including me. We all are hoping to get profits for our investments and honest paying admins are what matters.

I some how dont seem to get newsletter from Flip return, not sure if it makes to the spam box. I contacted both Gertudia and Klaus and asked them for explanations and if they are one and same. I will post the reply that I got from Klaus (Gertudia did not reply to my mail) and also the extract from the home page of Flip return. I have made my conclusions presented you with what I think of this whole mix up and stories, its every ones individual decision on what conclusions you reach. After all you are the investors who make due diligence, so you have to make one more now. I did my duty if presenting the facts I had.

Letter from Klaus admin of LMtMM:

Dear Vinny,
As you see already about the attacks from some bloggers Gertrudia and I did a joint venture. This way we make sure we can be more successful and stronger. Gertrudia did for 6 month a amazing job and got attacked because she is good and critisiced a program the blogger love so much, this might cost her the attack. Maybe it was also because I did post how one of this bloggers work (favorit list etc) I see it as my duty to share this and I not give up because I have enemies and so will Gertrudia not give up. LMtMM will always find a way together with Gertrudia we make LMtMM no 1, I want to explain what LMtMM or flipreturn clients will see in the future. Real returnes based on the returnes LMtMM and Gertrudia with her investments generating. it mean daily payments higher than it was anounced in LMtMM in the past. I guess between 0.5%~8% a day really based on what we make. In the long run there will be no program be able to pay more. Also there will be no limit in time so your investment never expires.

A last word for today, we will never give up or just disapear. Here is a scam free area, and I give a .... What some bloggers say, it was personal because we did not do favorit listing or because I write the truth and Gertrudia did critisece a program where a blogger is involved. I trust and believe in Gertrudia, in our new joint venture and mostly in you as an investor to join us even stronger as we getting stronger, day by day

Klaus and Gertrudia
LMtMM & Flipreturn Administration Team

From Flip Return Home-page:

Dear Flipreturn Members,

after some slanders and rumors what hurt flipreturn and my reputation very much, my friend Klaus (LMtMM admin) and I decided to make a joint venture.

I was having two choices, closing flipreturn and everyone loses, or fight for us, and make things better. Since Klaus is a long time friend and was also effected from this rumors we decided to fight together, and using the better script for our jointventure. Even Flipreturn is the older domain, with the script of LMtMM, we can pay what we actually earn. So I need you all to sign up on LMtMM and send me your login email address from flipreturn and the new Squirrel ID (you can find this ID after logging into LMtMM and click banking area).

After I receive your email, I will transfer your investment amount with an additional Bonus of 5% or for investors with investments larger than US$ 2000 an additional 10% Bonus to your newly created account. If you are an investor of LMtMM in the past, I just add the amount, but you still need to send me your old login email address fro flipreturn and the Squirrel ID from LMtMM.

I want to explain what will happen in the near and long term of our both programs:

First I know you will say, but I was promised a different earning amount or ROI, yes that is true, but as I am not a admin who gives just up, I need to make things happen for a long term relationship between my clients and myself.

You have my word that I will never give up or just disappear like other admins do, there will always be a fair and successful solution for my clients. And here is how.

After transferring the total amount including bonus (I do this as soon you send me and email and I work as fast as I can), so you earn as fast as possible again.

The earnings during transfer (I hope you are sending me your informations fast, so we all not lose to much money), will be logged between 0.5% and 1.2% daily, (for all plans) and once all are transferred you will earn even more than I promised in the past. maybe in different terms, but surely not as bad as you might expect now, I am fair and I make investments, so money will be returned in the system and we will be running smooth as we was in the past 6 month pretty soon.

Since we have this incredible new script, I will also be able to write like a blogger on daily or weekly (during transfer) from the industry for you. So people who was having trouble receiving my newsletter will now just read them on the site.

I wish we all work here quick and nice together, flipreturn/LMtMM forever
Gertrudia